Ubuntu 11.04 -> OS X 10.6.8

No, ezzel at átállással meg is volnánk, kicseréltem a feleségem gépét. Az élet itt sem fenékig tejfel, mert kellett a netről egy billentyűzetkiosztást túrnom, ami a magyar PC billentyűzeten a helyére teszi a karaktereket, de ez is megvan.

Majd szóljatok, ha tényleg és már egészen biztosan a Desktop Binux évében leszünk! :)))

( sly007 v | 2011. 08. 04., cs – 01:17 )

"ha tényleg és már egészen biztosan" te elhitted? :D
sly @ w3m.hu

Kb. a 2.4-es kernelek elejéig tűnt úgy, hogy a Linux jó irányba megy, de lehet, hogy csak a 2.2-es kernelek lassú, de kellemes fejlődése altatta el a gyanakvásomat. Alan Cox azért tudott valamit. :)

Amikor a 2.4.9 környékén Linus csak úgy huss, kicserélte a VM-alrendszert, akkor éreztem először a zavart az erőben. :) És azóta csak egyre rosszabb, sok látványos dolog történik, de nem _szép_.

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Steve Jobsot nagyra becsülöm üzletemberként és sajnálom, mint magánembert.
Viszont mint vallásalapítót, ki nem állhatom.

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- 33324 karakter

- Levelezik Thunderbirddel.
- OpenOffice-szal néha doksikat ír.
- Firefoxszal böngészni szokott és ha éppen a GUI-ja nem őrült meg, akkor van, hogy az őt érdeklő oldalt el is tudja menteni könyvjelzőnek.
- A nagyobbik lányom már flashes játékokkal is szokott játszani, ha éppen van hangja a flashnek, mert a kernel audiorendszere képes kiadni és nem folyamatosan naplóz valami szart, hogy "beakadt".
- VLC-vel rajzfilm-DVD-t játszat le a gyerekeinknek, csak mindketten belefáradtunk abba, hogy az Ubuntu frissítésenként változtat a viselkedésén: hol elindul a VLC magától, ha új lemezt rakunk be, hol nem.
- Skype-on, webkamerával telefonál anyósomékkal, vagy a Brazíliában élő barátnőjével, ha éppen az Ubuntu/PulseAudio nem állítja el magától már sokadszora a bemenetet, a webkamera mikrofonjáról az alaplapi mikrofonbemenetre.

De az ajtót az tette be, hogy a saját T42-esemen frissítettem 10.10-ről 11.04-re. Az első bootnál közölte, hogy a gép túl gyenge a Unityhez, a klasszikus GNOME-ot kapom meg. Ez nem is lett volna gond, mert már megszoktam, viszont a GUI érezhetően *lassabb*, különösen a váltogatás a virtuális asztalok között.

Szóval elég volt.

És a rossz vicc az, hogy szerveroldalon is tele van ilyen tákolt baromságokkal, a vesszőparipám a multipath, illetve a kernel FC/SCSI-kezelése. Kap a storage-tól egy új LUN-t bezónázva, erre egy full FC+SCSI rescan után se látja. Reboot, nahát, érdekes módon utána ott a LUN! :I

Amúgy Saxus kolléga Minijét vettem meg, amit itt hirdetett nemrégiben.

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Az Ubuntus kernelek minosegben mindig is a beka aljat lattak csak, a tetejet soha.

Aztan lehetne irni meg szerveroldalrol olyanokat, hogy ha a debian-sys-maint valamiert nem tud belepni a mysql szerverbe, akkor sosem lesz mysql szervered, ha megfeszulsz se, ellenben apache restart elott el nem enged egy configtest-et, hogy ugyan sikerulhet-e a dolog.

Meg ilyen apro kedvessegek, onmagukban semmisegek, de mindez egy rendszerben osszezsufolva nagyon kellemetlen elmeny tud lenni.
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Nem kötözködöm, te döntésed, de nem lehet, hogy az Ubuntu a problémás és nem maga a linux általában?
Hasonló problémáim voltak Ubuntuval (másoknak meg nem, biztos hardware-függő - enyhe irónia), aztán disztrót cseréltem, s minden okés lett.

Mi ezzel a bajod? :) Failover clusternél csak arra kell vigyázni, hogy a node-okat pár nap/hét eltéréssel indítsd, ne legyen egyforma az uptime-juk. :))

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Viszont mint vallásalapítót, ki nem állhatom.

Ááá, persze, biztosan csak az Ubuntu problémás. :)

Egyik barátom évek óta SuSÉ-t, majd OpenSuSÉ-t használ, megelégedéssel. Power user, de nem rendszergazda, igazán mélységeiben nem ért hozzá. Valamiért kb. másfél hete elszállt a belső hálózata, a család 2-3 gépe az övén keresztül, maszkolva jut ki a netre. Mindent kipróbált, a hibát nem tudta javítani.

Beugrottam hozzá, mivel úgyis útba esett. Sikerült 10-15 perc szívás után megtalálni a bajt: gond az volt, hogy az r8169 NIC drivere kernel oopsot csinált, emiatt a belső hálózati interface meghalt. Minden előzetes jel nélkül, azelőtt nem történt ilyen, a hardverben nem volt változtatás. Userspace-ből az interface hibátlannak látszódott, ifconfig, tcpdump stb. mind hiba nélkül hozzáfért, mégse ment sehova se rajta forgalom.

Egy reboot megoldotta. Mint Windowsnál "szokás", ugye.

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Viszont mint vallásalapítót, ki nem állhatom.

- Firefoxot nem ertem konkretan, mert nekem meg nem produkalt semmi extrat. A flash resze nyilvan mas teszta. Haver unszolasara "jatszok" a Ramacityvel, es hat elegge gaz, hogy szarra szaggat, teljes kepernyobe kirakva azonnal visszavalt. Chrome meg szarabb flash szempontjabol. Nem tudom a bongeszo, vagy a flash miatt (nem) csinalja amit (kene), de probalom minimalizalni a flash tartalmakat. Tudom ez nem megoldas foleg egy olyan csaladban, ahol gyerek van.

- DVD lejatszasra en altalaban Totemet hasznalok. Igaz kikapcsoltam, hogy barmilyen adathordozo behelyezesere inditson el valamilyen alkalmazast, mert engem az oruletbe kerget. Igy en nem tudok nyilatkozni az automatikus inditassal kapcsolatban. Kiprobaltam, nekem ment, de ez ugye nalam van. :)

En inkabb a flasht, es a Skypeot erzem egeto problemanak, igy ertheto a valtas. A kerdes az, hogy mi lesz az ami OSX alatt nem fog menni?

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LTS kiadást használva (több gépen) nem tapasztalok ilyeneket. A flash max. akkor szaggat, ha lassú a net :-) Mindezt nem csúcsgépeken.

A nagyon új funkciók nem érdekelnek, majd ha kijön az újabb LTS és eltelik mondjuk 1 hónap (közben pedig kijön pár frissítés), na akkor jöhet a következő dist upgrade.

Én is úgy döntöttem, hogy a legjobb az LTS-eknél maradni. A baj csak az, hogy a nagy újítási lázban egyre több új funkciót erőltetnek ránk - ha nem érdekel, akkor is -, és régi hibák maradnak az LTS-ekben is (pl. a legkülönfélébb hibák az Intel integrált videokártyákkal).

( pch v | 2011. 08. 04., cs – 09:34 )

Én ubuntu/kubunturól váltottam debianra. Azóta semmivel sincs semmi gondom. Sőtt a sose működő nvidia driverrel menő suspend is megy.

Azóta bővült a mondat. suse/sose ubuntu/se :)

pch
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Ez a váltás mostanában történt (mármint az Ubuntu -> Debian)?
Mik a tapasztalataid, mennyire "fapados" egy mostani Debian az Ubuntu után?

Mert én Debiannal kezdtem, majd nagyobb rugalmasság reményében, lustaságból kíváncsiságból Ubuntura váltottam. Egy ideig klassz volt, aztán egyre több hiba és kompromisszum...
Most ott tartok, hogy munka miatt komolyan nézegetem az új Mac miniket; a régebbi gépekre pedig fontolgatom a Debian visszahozatalát.

Mostanában 1 hónapja nincs. Kde 4.6.5 van fent. Minden megy, usb automount még a telót se kellett hekkelni (zte) mint ubuntu alatt. Mondjuk én nem full telepítést kértem, hanem netinstall után sid update majd ment fel xorg, nvidia kde-base. Így tényleg csak az van fent ami kell, viszont piszokgyors. (kubuntuhoz képest)

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