( Hevi | 2019. 06. 26., sze – 19:38 )

> Közben azon gondolkodtam, hogy vajon hogy csinálják a nyelvészek ezeket az összehasonlításokat.

Ez bizony engem is baromira erdekelne. Ami ebbol a tanulmanybol kiderul, az nem fest tul jo kepet az eddigi gyakorlatokrol:

"A further issue with current studies of nonarbitrariness in sound–meaning correspondences is that, save for a single exception, cross-linguistic corpus studies of nonarbitrary associations have tended to rely on a small number of languages (maximally 200) and focusing on small semantically restricted sets of words, ranging from phonation-related organs to South American animals, to spatial orientation (demonstratives), repair initiators (like huh? in English), and the conceptualization of magnitude in Australian languages. These studies involve confirmatory analyses, aiming to test specific hypotheses regarding sound–meaning correspondences; as a consequence, they are guided by a priori intuitions or indirectly by findings from other disciplines. These limitations may help explain, at least in part, why language scientists typically consider nonarbitrary associations to be marginal phenomena that may only apply to small, strictly circumscribed regions of the vocabulary. In this paper, we therefore conduct a comprehensive set of analyses involving a semantically diverse set of words from close to two-thirds of the world’s languages."

> A harmadik, hogy vajon mióta van olyan, hogy nyelv.

Erre nem hiszem, hogy van/lehet konkret valasz. Peldaul a neandervolgyieknek volt-e sajat nyelvuk? Es ha igen, akkor mikor, es milyen lehetett az? Az valoszinu, hogy kulonboznie kellett a Homo Sapiens-etol.

Azt tudjuk, hogy nem csak erintkeztek, de szaporodtak is a modern emberrel:

A Karpatok deli reszen "some of the oldest European early modern human (EEMH) remains, between 37,000 and 42,000 years old, have been found.

In 2015 genetics research revealed that the Oase 1 fossil had a recent Neanderthal ancestor, with an estimated 5-11% Neanderthal autosomal DNA. The specimen's 12th chromosome was also 50% Neanderthal.

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When modern humans entered Europe, they encountered people with the same cognitive capabilities and featuring identical levels of cultural achievement. In such a situation, the entire gamut of cultural interaction situations, from conflict to mutual avoidance and full admixture, must have ensued at the local and regional level. But the overall result in the long-term continental perspective was that of biological and cultural blending, the imbalance in the size of the gene reservoirs involved explaining the eventual loss of Neanderthal mtDNA lineages among later and extant humans."
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Mondjuk legalabb arrol lehet valami fogalmunk, hogy hogy is zajlodhatott a Homo Sapiens terhoditasa a Neandervolgyiek altal lakott teruleteken. Valahogy igy nezhetett ki, csak az idotavot kell ~meg 10x-ezni:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YGZ-AAYYZg

Vajon milyen nyelvet beszelhettek a Karpat-medence, es Europa osi, 40.000+ evvel ezelott elt lakoi?

Lehet mostmar sose tudjuk meg...